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	<title>Comments on: Triperspectival Ecclesiology &#8211; Being the Church as Corporate, Intimate &amp; Group</title>
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		<title>By: NextReformation &#187; missional eldership</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/church/triperspectival-ecclesiology-being-the-church-as-corporate-intimate-group/comment-page-1/#comment-80134</link>
		<dc:creator>NextReformation &#187; missional eldership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jun 2007 16:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;Traditional/Centralized forms of church government destroy a church&#8217;s mission. At Kaleo Church we continue to re-think the form of our church and our church&#8217;s ecclesiology for the sake of the gospel. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;Traditional/Centralized forms of church government destroy a church&#8217;s mission. At Kaleo Church we continue to re-think the form of our church and our church&#8217;s ecclesiology for the sake of the gospel. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Missional Meanderings &#38;laquo Missional Church Network</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missional Meanderings &#38;laquo Missional Church Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 15:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Drew Goodmanson presents a couple of outstanding posts on developing a &#8220;triperspectival ecclesiology.&#8221; The first post is here. Second post¬†is here. A follow up post on missional leadership is here. Be sure to examine the¬†diagrams with each post. How do you see these diagrams assisting the formation of your community? How do they help you communicate? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Worth reading: Goodmanson, Godin, and Groeschel &#171; Live. Work. Play.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Worth reading: Goodmanson, Godin, and Groeschel &#171; Live. Work. Play.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 03:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Worth reading: Goodmanson, Godin, and&#160;Groeschel  10 05 2007   + Drew Goodmanson hits the ball out of the park on two recent posts. He writes here about seeing the church functioning in three dimensions (similar to these). We need to gather corporately, as smaller groups relationally, and as people who are sent - on mission. He adds an interesting plug for the value of the big gathering. &#8220;One of the dangers of new ideas are often we can react to another extreme. Do we really need to abandon larger &#8216;Sunday Service&#8217; gatherings in order to be an emerging movement of God through a house church type expression? I believe we can make a strong Biblical case that as believers corporate, intimate and small gatherings are all part of what it means to be the Church.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Worth reading: Goodmanson, Godin, and&nbsp;Groeschel  10 05 2007   + Drew Goodmanson hits the ball out of the park on two recent posts. He writes here about seeing the church functioning in three dimensions (similar to these). We need to gather corporately, as smaller groups relationally, and as people who are sent &#8211; on mission. He adds an interesting plug for the value of the big gathering. &#8220;One of the dangers of new ideas are often we can react to another extreme. Do we really need to abandon larger &#8216;Sunday Service&#8217; gatherings in order to be an emerging movement of God through a house church type expression? I believe we can make a strong Biblical case that as believers corporate, intimate and small gatherings are all part of what it means to be the Church.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: D. Goodmanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Goodmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 18:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad &#8211; Thanks for your comments.  I&#8217;ve added a few of your quotes and unpacked this more here: <a href="http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/06/the-decline-of-the-western-church-and-the-call-to-renew-your-churchs-ecclesiology/" rel="nofollow">The Decline of the Western Church and the Call to renew your Church‚Äôs Ecclesiology</a></p>
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		<title>By: brad brisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad brisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 19:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree completely. I believe this may be THE issue for the church today. How do we balance being missional both individually and as a body with the gathered time of worship and equipping? How do we as create ecclesial structures that equip and prepare Christ followers for their task of engaging the culture for Christ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree completely. I believe this may be THE issue for the church today. How do we balance being missional both individually and as a body with the gathered time of worship and equipping? How do we as create ecclesial structures that equip and prepare Christ followers for their task of engaging the culture for Christ?</p>
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		<title>By: D. Goodmanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Goodmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 18:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad- Excellent comment.  I too just read a Goheen article at the GOCN &#039;Notes Toward a Framework for a Missional Hermeneutic&#039; (http://www.gocn.org/articles/article.cfm?id=24) that adds to this. 

One thing I did leave out on my post is the individual believer as I was dealing more with groups.  I have a follow-up post that deals more with this and flows from corporate (exaltational) to individual (incarnational) aspects of being in Christ.

This is such an important conversation as we seek by God&#039;s grace to shape the church in the Western context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad- Excellent comment.  I too just read a Goheen article at the GOCN &#8216;Notes Toward a Framework for a Missional Hermeneutic&#8217; (<a href="http://www.gocn.org/articles/article.cfm?id=24" rel="nofollow">http://www.gocn.org/articles/article.cfm?id=24</a>) that adds to this. </p>
<p>One thing I did leave out on my post is the individual believer as I was dealing more with groups.  I have a follow-up post that deals more with this and flows from corporate (exaltational) to individual (incarnational) aspects of being in Christ.</p>
<p>This is such an important conversation as we seek by God&#8217;s grace to shape the church in the Western context.</p>
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		<title>By: brad brisco</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad brisco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 18:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew, I haven&#039;t been reading your blog for long but this is the best post I have read yet. Just yesterday I was coming home from the Origins conference in LA and on the plane I read a journal article by Goheen from &quot;Missiology: An International Review&quot; from October, 2002. (Vol. XXX, No. 4), titled &quot;The Missional Church: Ecclesiological Discussion in the GOCN in North American.&quot; It was outstanding! I had never read anything from Goheen but I was so impressed by his thought process. Then I check out your blog last night and was very excited to see the audio that you have made available here.

One portion of the article that I think is applicable to your discussion here is when Goheen sites Newbigin&#039;s perspective on the individual believer&#039;s place in impacting the culture in contrast to GOCN&#039;s emphasis on the communal aspect. While Newbigin (and Goheen) do not minimize the communal/corporate aspect the individual emphasis, I think, is vitally important.

Quoting from 3 of Newbigin&#039;s books Goheen writes: &quot;I do not believe that the role of the Church in a secular society is primarily exercised in the corporate action of the churches as organized bodies in the political or cultural fields . . . On the contrary, I believe that it is [exercised] through the action of Christian lay people playing their roles as citizens, workers, managers, legislators.&quot;

Later then, Goheen writes: &quot;There is a need to continue to struggle with communal patterns of ecclesial life that will enable the church corporately to be a preview of the kingdom. However, this should not be done at the expense of the mission of God&#039;s people in their various and scattered callings. This continues to be the primary point of missionary engagement in Western culture.&quot;

I think this hits the nail on the head. This is the balance or tension that most churches, at least in my circls, do not do well with. They fault on the gathered side of things rather than the scattered side. I like what I heard McManus say this week, it should be like breathing - inhaling and exhaling - in regards to gathering and scattering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew, I haven&#8217;t been reading your blog for long but this is the best post I have read yet. Just yesterday I was coming home from the Origins conference in LA and on the plane I read a journal article by Goheen from &#8220;Missiology: An International Review&#8221; from October, 2002. (Vol. XXX, No. 4), titled &#8220;The Missional Church: Ecclesiological Discussion in the GOCN in North American.&#8221; It was outstanding! I had never read anything from Goheen but I was so impressed by his thought process. Then I check out your blog last night and was very excited to see the audio that you have made available here.</p>
<p>One portion of the article that I think is applicable to your discussion here is when Goheen sites Newbigin&#8217;s perspective on the individual believer&#8217;s place in impacting the culture in contrast to GOCN&#8217;s emphasis on the communal aspect. While Newbigin (and Goheen) do not minimize the communal/corporate aspect the individual emphasis, I think, is vitally important.</p>
<p>Quoting from 3 of Newbigin&#8217;s books Goheen writes: &#8220;I do not believe that the role of the Church in a secular society is primarily exercised in the corporate action of the churches as organized bodies in the political or cultural fields . . . On the contrary, I believe that it is [exercised] through the action of Christian lay people playing their roles as citizens, workers, managers, legislators.&#8221;</p>
<p>Later then, Goheen writes: &#8220;There is a need to continue to struggle with communal patterns of ecclesial life that will enable the church corporately to be a preview of the kingdom. However, this should not be done at the expense of the mission of God&#8217;s people in their various and scattered callings. This continues to be the primary point of missionary engagement in Western culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this hits the nail on the head. This is the balance or tension that most churches, at least in my circls, do not do well with. They fault on the gathered side of things rather than the scattered side. I like what I heard McManus say this week, it should be like breathing &#8211; inhaling and exhaling &#8211; in regards to gathering and scattering.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Goodmanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Goodmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 16:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod - Thanks for your thoughtful post.  I believe the most challenging aspect of these three will be the situational/groups on mission.  We are all accustomed to the corporate gathering and often we desire the intimate.  I believe a lot of the church emphasis should be on the situational groups.  How are people living on mission together to reach diff&#039;t tribes and neighborhoods.  (For me, I have spent years developing relationships in my more suburban neighborhood and now meet with a group of 6-8 kids in my neighborhood each week.  We all have a meal together and then talk about diff&#039;t stories or ideas from the Bible and how we can live these out.  After almost a year of this, one of the fathers has started to become interested and has even brought his whole family to church.  My wife and I plan to invite all the parents over and see what happens.)

I think we need to train these groups to be praying specifically for the geographical area they meet in.  To find ways to love the community and serve.  The suburbs are filled with broken families, people enslaved to false idols of money, power, success, moral legalism and a host of other ills.  It is challenging, but hopefully through prayer and the Holy Spirit we can move in ways that express the gospel that are relevant to the context we are in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod &#8211; Thanks for your thoughtful post.  I believe the most challenging aspect of these three will be the situational/groups on mission.  We are all accustomed to the corporate gathering and often we desire the intimate.  I believe a lot of the church emphasis should be on the situational groups.  How are people living on mission together to reach diff&#8217;t tribes and neighborhoods.  (For me, I have spent years developing relationships in my more suburban neighborhood and now meet with a group of 6-8 kids in my neighborhood each week.  We all have a meal together and then talk about diff&#8217;t stories or ideas from the Bible and how we can live these out.  After almost a year of this, one of the fathers has started to become interested and has even brought his whole family to church.  My wife and I plan to invite all the parents over and see what happens.)</p>
<p>I think we need to train these groups to be praying specifically for the geographical area they meet in.  To find ways to love the community and serve.  The suburbs are filled with broken families, people enslaved to false idols of money, power, success, moral legalism and a host of other ills.  It is challenging, but hopefully through prayer and the Holy Spirit we can move in ways that express the gospel that are relevant to the context we are in.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod McWilliams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod McWilliams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 09:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew,
As an avid reader of your blog I was delighted to read your thoughts. I have read Forgotten Ways and found it a challenging and largely enjoyable book. I embrace the essence of where Hirsch is coming from. Like Hirsch, I too live in Australia (though not in Melbourne) but in a suburban rather than urban context. This triperspectival ecclesiology you mention is what we in the church I am involved with are endeavoring to walk in though until your post I was unware there was a doctrine to substantiate it. 

We have been and continue to be quite good at the normative/corporate and existential/intimate aspects and have recently and intentionally embraced the situational/group mode. It is challenging me as a leader of one these groups to identify and commit my people to this in a suburban context. I find nearly all missional books and articles emphasise the need for the situational/group mode in urban contexts and I celebrate these intiatives. But in my country - and I suspect still in large parts of American cities as well the vast majority of the people live in suburban and peri-urban environments. 

Because of the withering disconnectedness of much of suburban life missional action takes on another face altogether. The challenge is to both get suburbanite middle-class white church-folk interested missionally and to actively engage their suburbanite middle-class white neighbours in the way our urban brothers and sisters across the globe do. They surely must be factored into the kingdom plans of out great and glorious King.  

Your post has encouraged me greatly and opened my eyes again to place wherein I have been called to mission. Strangely, the suburbs can be a lonely place when the preponderance of missional focus is on the city. It is even more lonely when the ecclesiological frameworks espoused so broadly make mission in &#039;burbs that much closer to impossible.

Thank you for your leadership.

Rod</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew,<br />
As an avid reader of your blog I was delighted to read your thoughts. I have read Forgotten Ways and found it a challenging and largely enjoyable book. I embrace the essence of where Hirsch is coming from. Like Hirsch, I too live in Australia (though not in Melbourne) but in a suburban rather than urban context. This triperspectival ecclesiology you mention is what we in the church I am involved with are endeavoring to walk in though until your post I was unware there was a doctrine to substantiate it. </p>
<p>We have been and continue to be quite good at the normative/corporate and existential/intimate aspects and have recently and intentionally embraced the situational/group mode. It is challenging me as a leader of one these groups to identify and commit my people to this in a suburban context. I find nearly all missional books and articles emphasise the need for the situational/group mode in urban contexts and I celebrate these intiatives. But in my country &#8211; and I suspect still in large parts of American cities as well the vast majority of the people live in suburban and peri-urban environments. </p>
<p>Because of the withering disconnectedness of much of suburban life missional action takes on another face altogether. The challenge is to both get suburbanite middle-class white church-folk interested missionally and to actively engage their suburbanite middle-class white neighbours in the way our urban brothers and sisters across the globe do. They surely must be factored into the kingdom plans of out great and glorious King.  </p>
<p>Your post has encouraged me greatly and opened my eyes again to place wherein I have been called to mission. Strangely, the suburbs can be a lonely place when the preponderance of missional focus is on the city. It is even more lonely when the ecclesiological frameworks espoused so broadly make mission in &#8216;burbs that much closer to impossible.</p>
<p>Thank you for your leadership.</p>
<p>Rod</p>
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