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	<title>Comments on: The Hype of Social Networking and the Church</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew P Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/church/the-hype-of-social-networking-and-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-208248</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew P Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In looking at the posts-  I am not sure there is a firm grasp of the point of building an online network.  The world that people live in is real.  The ability to build an online community that is easy to access and provides a support system for folks who live and work in a technology driven world is critical to the success of many organizations.  People may even provide insight and a depth to their backstories and advice they ordinarily would be too shy to share in person or scared to ask in front of others.  Building the system on an existing framework like Facebook provides legitimacy to the message and shows that the church is in tune with its followers and their daily interactions. 

Just my thoughts- but the idea of creating a brand new service or site may be appealing to a more fundamental crowd, but using existing avenues with good content and a drive toward community building and support - I believe- will gain a better reaction from the people the church is trying to aid and engage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In looking at the posts-  I am not sure there is a firm grasp of the point of building an online network.  The world that people live in is real.  The ability to build an online community that is easy to access and provides a support system for folks who live and work in a technology driven world is critical to the success of many organizations.  People may even provide insight and a depth to their backstories and advice they ordinarily would be too shy to share in person or scared to ask in front of others.  Building the system on an existing framework like Facebook provides legitimacy to the message and shows that the church is in tune with its followers and their daily interactions. </p>
<p>Just my thoughts- but the idea of creating a brand new service or site may be appealing to a more fundamental crowd, but using existing avenues with good content and a drive toward community building and support &#8211; I believe- will gain a better reaction from the people the church is trying to aid and engage.</p>
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		<title>By: Donovan Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/church/the-hype-of-social-networking-and-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-208198</link>
		<dc:creator>Donovan Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Church Social networks are good for medium to large &quot;real world churches&quot;

Churches has many community events that take place within them in the real world..

So a social network will showcase the members and the events that they have.

Like on my real world church website you can see long sermons, and videos of the choir and other events that take place, as well as communicate with other church members in the  real world church!

&quot;Thats an excellent thing&quot;

But you have to stay up with the trends and get the right social network software to power your church community.

Now having a church or religious social network for the heck of it is definitely a waste! 

Social Networks should be a standard for all real work churches due to all the features a social network offers, what they offer is the basis of whats offered in the real world!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Church Social networks are good for medium to large &#8220;real world churches&#8221;</p>
<p>Churches has many community events that take place within them in the real world..</p>
<p>So a social network will showcase the members and the events that they have.</p>
<p>Like on my real world church website you can see long sermons, and videos of the choir and other events that take place, as well as communicate with other church members in the  real world church!</p>
<p>&#8220;Thats an excellent thing&#8221;</p>
<p>But you have to stay up with the trends and get the right social network software to power your church community.</p>
<p>Now having a church or religious social network for the heck of it is definitely a waste! </p>
<p>Social Networks should be a standard for all real work churches due to all the features a social network offers, what they offer is the basis of whats offered in the real world!</p>
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		<title>By: D. Goodmanson</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/church/the-hype-of-social-networking-and-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-208118</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Goodmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 17:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthony,

Cobblestone users can post/write in Spanish but presently we have not released a Spanish version.  This is a completely separate technology which you can view here: http://www.cobblestonecn.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthony,</p>
<p>Cobblestone users can post/write in Spanish but presently we have not released a Spanish version.  This is a completely separate technology which you can view here: <a href="http://www.cobblestonecn.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.cobblestonecn.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anthony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am looking into this for slightly modified purposes... that I won&#039;t go into for now, but does cobblestone have a spanish available option? BTW, is this the same technology used with onthecity or completely separate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking into this for slightly modified purposes&#8230; that I won&#8217;t go into for now, but does cobblestone have a spanish available option? BTW, is this the same technology used with onthecity or completely separate?</p>
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		<title>By: D. Goodmanson</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/church/the-hype-of-social-networking-and-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-203663</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Goodmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I will be offering free websites to churches and only charging for the service of setting it up, hosting, and tech support.&quot;  Steve, this doesn&#039;t sound free.

From the conversations we&#039;ve had and hundreds of people that we involved in market research I&#039;d say most pastors and people don&#039;t share your position.  Personally, as a pastor of a local church there are numerous reasons why we (Kaleo) would want this.  But I&#039;m cool if we agree to disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I will be offering free websites to churches and only charging for the service of setting it up, hosting, and tech support.&#8221;  Steve, this doesn&#8217;t sound free.</p>
<p>From the conversations we&#8217;ve had and hundreds of people that we involved in market research I&#8217;d say most pastors and people don&#8217;t share your position.  Personally, as a pastor of a local church there are numerous reasons why we (Kaleo) would want this.  But I&#8217;m cool if we agree to disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 18:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, I think the words, &#8220;materialistic and anti-Christian&#8221; are a little harsh. I have worked with Drew and his team @ Monk and although we have certainly had our disagreements and are no longer working together in the same fashion, I know they all have a love for Christ and the Gospel. Far from being &#8220;anti-Christian&#8221;. I believe it&#8217;s a fine line to walk when providing services at the level they do for the church and I pray they will continue to do so in a God glorifying way.</p>
<p>As far as open source; Ben, there is some really good applications available and I know churches are already using some of them. On that note: In the near future, I will be offering free websites to churches and only charging for the service of setting it up, hosting, and tech support. In the case of what Monk provides, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s materialistic or anti-Christian having a paid alternative. </p>
<p>Drew/Ben, I have had great success with open source and I must say the support and technical advice has been better than ANY I&#8217;ve experienced in a paid environment. </p>
<p>Back on topic:</p>
<p>Drew, I agree with part of what you said &#8220;most of what is called ‚Äôsocial networking‚Äô is meaningless.&#8221; as it pertains to my personal life. Now when it comes to work, thats a different story. I am part of several work related social networks of sorts and this interaction has been mutually beneficial. </p>
<p>A Church Community Network &#8211; I can&#8217;t think of any reason to have one. Plus, I would venture to guess that just about anything you would want to use it for, you can already do/use something that is already out there. Other than it being called &#8220;Church&#8221; or &#8220;Christian&#8221;.</p>
<p>I could have a Church-targeted community site up and running on Monday with the help of WPMU &amp; BuddPress. But I do not see the reason or need.</p>
<p>&#8220;What do you think a Church Community Network should be?&#8221;<br />
I don&#8217;t think we need any Church or Christian Community Networks, regardless if it is focussed on the individual or the community. Go be the Church in the networks that already exists in the community.</p>
<p>Steve</p>
<p>Ps. In the first sentences of that last paragraph I almost sound like a deconstructionist. Well, I&#8217;m not. Far from it. I just don&#8217;t think we need any Church/Christian Social Networks.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Goodmanson</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/church/the-hype-of-social-networking-and-the-church/comment-page-1/#comment-203630</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Goodmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

I&#039;d have to disagree.  I believe someone who provides a service or product to help churches can earn a living.  From my experience often the &#039;real&#039; cost including lack of support &amp; accountability, technical skills required and confusion churches are left with from open source software  is far more costly than paying a fair price to have people assist them.  

As to the phrasing, we have looked at two segments Christian social networks where everyone is invited to join and Church Community Networks which are private communities for a local church to interact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>I&#8217;d have to disagree.  I believe someone who provides a service or product to help churches can earn a living.  From my experience often the &#8216;real&#8217; cost including lack of support &#038; accountability, technical skills required and confusion churches are left with from open source software  is far more costly than paying a fair price to have people assist them.  </p>
<p>As to the phrasing, we have looked at two segments Christian social networks where everyone is invited to join and Church Community Networks which are private communities for a local church to interact.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 00:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally speaking, Christians should not be in the business of profiting off churches. Trying to fill a niche market of &quot;community network&quot; sites to sell to a church is materialistic and anti-Christian. It would be better to develop products in an open-source format to make available to churches pro bono.

And it&#039;s a matter of phrasing between &quot;social network = my&quot; and &quot;community network = our.&quot; Besides Facebook being a hook-up site...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally speaking, Christians should not be in the business of profiting off churches. Trying to fill a niche market of &#8220;community network&#8221; sites to sell to a church is materialistic and anti-Christian. It would be better to develop products in an open-source format to make available to churches pro bono.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s a matter of phrasing between &#8220;social network = my&#8221; and &#8220;community network = our.&#8221; Besides Facebook being a hook-up site&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Derr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon Derr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 05:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Drew,

Great post!  Every community is different, so I suppose the idea of a local network would always be a little different depending on where your church is and who your audience is.  But I do believe that in every way, a localized social networking model is a much better fit into the Church&#039;s mission than a globablized one.  Freecycle.org is one fantastic success story in local social networking and for anyone who is interested in launching a Church Community Network, I&#039;d highly recommend signing up with Freecycle just to experience it and see what you pull from it.  Drew, I look forward to hearing about the variety of ways that your network is utilized in the local community!  I don&#039;t have a specific answer to your question, but I do have a few hypothetical questions for the local church, to continue the conversation.

1) Where is God calling us as a Church in fulfilling the Great Commission?  Are we confident/faithful enough in that calling that we&#039;re ready to PRIORITIZE using our website to DO ministry online, rather than promote how we&#039;re doing it at the church?  This prioritization is important if any kind of local network is to be effective.

2) The foundation of the Church&#039;s mission is its teaching of truth to others.  Are we looking at this network first as an effective teaching and learning medium to help users understand and apply the Gospel message?  Or is this simply a place where people get connected and hopefully grow closer together in a way that leads to spiritual growth?  Have we properly integrated the two?

3) How can this network be deeply integrated with and add to the effectiveness of Church programs already going on?  Example programs are sermons, bible studies, outreach programs, food drives, recovery programs, retreats, etc.  To be clear, the question is not related to how the network can promote these programs, only how it can help them be more effective in doing ministry.

That&#039;s all for now.  Thanks for the great post!

Brendon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Drew,</p>
<p>Great post!  Every community is different, so I suppose the idea of a local network would always be a little different depending on where your church is and who your audience is.  But I do believe that in every way, a localized social networking model is a much better fit into the Church&#8217;s mission than a globablized one.  Freecycle.org is one fantastic success story in local social networking and for anyone who is interested in launching a Church Community Network, I&#8217;d highly recommend signing up with Freecycle just to experience it and see what you pull from it.  Drew, I look forward to hearing about the variety of ways that your network is utilized in the local community!  I don&#8217;t have a specific answer to your question, but I do have a few hypothetical questions for the local church, to continue the conversation.</p>
<p>1) Where is God calling us as a Church in fulfilling the Great Commission?  Are we confident/faithful enough in that calling that we&#8217;re ready to PRIORITIZE using our website to DO ministry online, rather than promote how we&#8217;re doing it at the church?  This prioritization is important if any kind of local network is to be effective.</p>
<p>2) The foundation of the Church&#8217;s mission is its teaching of truth to others.  Are we looking at this network first as an effective teaching and learning medium to help users understand and apply the Gospel message?  Or is this simply a place where people get connected and hopefully grow closer together in a way that leads to spiritual growth?  Have we properly integrated the two?</p>
<p>3) How can this network be deeply integrated with and add to the effectiveness of Church programs already going on?  Example programs are sermons, bible studies, outreach programs, food drives, recovery programs, retreats, etc.  To be clear, the question is not related to how the network can promote these programs, only how it can help them be more effective in doing ministry.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all for now.  Thanks for the great post!</p>
<p>Brendon</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Vanhorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Vanhorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear that you guys are thinking that way.  I made my CMS &amp; webdesign selection based on your commitment to continually rework your system and even how your missional engagement value drives you guys and your developments.  I am excited to see EngageCity take shape and am excited to hear more on Renova next week in San Diego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear that you guys are thinking that way.  I made my CMS &amp; webdesign selection based on your commitment to continually rework your system and even how your missional engagement value drives you guys and your developments.  I am excited to see EngageCity take shape and am excited to hear more on Renova next week in San Diego.</p>
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