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	<title>Comments on: Is Online Community real Community?  Questions about the Virtual Church</title>
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	<description>Church Technology, Internet Ministry &#38; Church Planting</description>
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		<title>By: Anon-y-man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon-y-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 02:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there is no replacement for &quot;face to face&quot; relationships, and I don&#039;t think internet campus pastors would argue, online churches have a huge role to play. They present the Gospel message to those who may otherwise never seek the Gospel. Many people bury themselves in &quot;online worlds&quot; and the internet in general as an escape. Hurting people covering their wounds. Online churches allow doors to be open that are critical to a person&#039;s faith. The anonymity the web provides tends to make people more open about their hurts, doubts, beliefs, opinions, etc... 

Internet Campuses are wonderful tools for presenting the Gospel, and I would absolutely call them a church, because they are absolutely part of the Church, and are a relational group of believers - disregarding geographic separation. 

Stephen said, &quot;In fact, how can one possibly have any idea that an online avatar is professing genuine faith without any kind of face to face contact?&quot; But you can never have any true idea how genuine any other person&#039;s faith is: online, or face to face.

A committed believer should totally seek face to face relational small groups - this is without question. But what about those who can&#039;t? Whether it&#039;s physical or mental disability, the internet is the best option for some folks. Many autistic children and adults find it easier to socialize via the web than in person, and actually have deeper relationships with people online than those they try to meet face-to-face...

Anyways, I&#039;m a random passer-by, and there&#039;s some food for thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there is no replacement for &#8220;face to face&#8221; relationships, and I don&#8217;t think internet campus pastors would argue, online churches have a huge role to play. They present the Gospel message to those who may otherwise never seek the Gospel. Many people bury themselves in &#8220;online worlds&#8221; and the internet in general as an escape. Hurting people covering their wounds. Online churches allow doors to be open that are critical to a person&#8217;s faith. The anonymity the web provides tends to make people more open about their hurts, doubts, beliefs, opinions, etc&#8230; </p>
<p>Internet Campuses are wonderful tools for presenting the Gospel, and I would absolutely call them a church, because they are absolutely part of the Church, and are a relational group of believers &#8211; disregarding geographic separation. </p>
<p>Stephen said, &#8220;In fact, how can one possibly have any idea that an online avatar is professing genuine faith without any kind of face to face contact?&#8221; But you can never have any true idea how genuine any other person&#8217;s faith is: online, or face to face.</p>
<p>A committed believer should totally seek face to face relational small groups &#8211; this is without question. But what about those who can&#8217;t? Whether it&#8217;s physical or mental disability, the internet is the best option for some folks. Many autistic children and adults find it easier to socialize via the web than in person, and actually have deeper relationships with people online than those they try to meet face-to-face&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyways, I&#8217;m a random passer-by, and there&#8217;s some food for thought.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Crookham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Crookham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I think that you can have online church, I have tried it out myself just to see how it is.  You can get the message, but you will never get the depth of relationship that you get in a regular church setting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I think that you can have online church, I have tried it out myself just to see how it is.  You can get the message, but you will never get the depth of relationship that you get in a regular church setting.</p>
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		<title>By: Discussions Continue About SimChurch &#124; Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/church-technology/is-online-community-real-community-questions-about-the-virtual-church/comment-page-1/#comment-208160</link>
		<dc:creator>Discussions Continue About SimChurch &#124; Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for doubters by John Saddington; and negative ones:There is no virtual church by Bob Hyatt,¬†Is Online Community real Community? Questions about the Virtual Church by Drew Goodmanson,¬†Limitations of online church by Bobby [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SimChurch - Being the Church in a Virtual World &#124; The Digital Sanctuary</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/church-technology/is-online-community-real-community-questions-about-the-virtual-church/comment-page-1/#comment-208154</link>
		<dc:creator>SimChurch - Being the Church in a Virtual World &#124; The Digital Sanctuary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The following is a response to me from Douglas Estes, author of SimChurch regarding his reflections on this post by Drew Goodmanson - Is Online Community real community; Questions about the virtual church? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The following is a response to me from Douglas Estes, author of SimChurch regarding his reflections on this post by Drew Goodmanson &#8211; Is Online Community real community; Questions about the virtual church? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Tucker</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/church-technology/is-online-community-real-community-questions-about-the-virtual-church/comment-page-1/#comment-208151</link>
		<dc:creator>Drew Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 02:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are doing, excited about, encouraging, perpetuating &quot;online church&quot;, please share with me your Biblical definition of church. 

Posing this to someone who is &quot;all for&quot; doing an internet campus will be very revealing.  Can technology enhance community?  Sure.  But that is as far as it goes.  And even if it was a great source of community - the ends never justify the means.  The question remains, &quot;What is your Biblical definition of church?&quot; You can&#039;t get to internet church.

I&#039;ve visited a lot of these online campuses and read up on a lot of folks that are on this train and haven&#039;t come across anyone doing it whose ministry is theologically sound.  Just sayin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are doing, excited about, encouraging, perpetuating &#8220;online church&#8221;, please share with me your Biblical definition of church. </p>
<p>Posing this to someone who is &#8220;all for&#8221; doing an internet campus will be very revealing.  Can technology enhance community?  Sure.  But that is as far as it goes.  And even if it was a great source of community &#8211; the ends never justify the means.  The question remains, &#8220;What is your Biblical definition of church?&#8221; You can&#8217;t get to internet church.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve visited a lot of these online campuses and read up on a lot of folks that are on this train and haven&#8217;t come across anyone doing it whose ministry is theologically sound.  Just sayin.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Goodmanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Goodmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - It really isn&#039;t a party until you arrive anyway so, yes thanks for the added thoughts.  Very helpful blog post.  I did a session on CWC on this stuff so I&#039;ll be posting some more on these ideas too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8211; It really isn&#8217;t a party until you arrive anyway so, yes thanks for the added thoughts.  Very helpful blog post.  I did a session on CWC on this stuff so I&#8217;ll be posting some more on these ideas too.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Dyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew,
I know I&#039;m late to the party, but I had something I thought might be worth adding to the discussion as you have it with others.

Since I come from the world of seminary nerds, I did a word study on the concept of &quot;face-to-face&quot; in the New Testament. http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/01/technology-and-%E2%80%9Cface-to-face%E2%80%9D-in-the-new-testament/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew,<br />
I know I&#8217;m late to the party, but I had something I thought might be worth adding to the discussion as you have it with others.</p>
<p>Since I come from the world of seminary nerds, I did a word study on the concept of &#8220;face-to-face&#8221; in the New Testament. <a href="http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/01/technology-and-%E2%80%9Cface-to-face%E2%80%9D-in-the-new-testament/" rel="nofollow">http://donteatthefruit.com/2009/01/technology-and-%E2%80%9Cface-to-face%E2%80%9D-in-the-new-testament/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Online Church? &#171; Embracing the Gospel</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/church-technology/is-online-community-real-community-questions-about-the-virtual-church/comment-page-1/#comment-208012</link>
		<dc:creator>Online Church? &#171; Embracing the Gospel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://www.goodmanson.com/2009-07/30/is-online-community-real-community-questions-about-the-virtual-.." rel="nofollow">http://www.goodmanson.com/2009-07/30/is-online-community-real-community-questions-about-the-virtual-..</a>. Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)Restored &amp; Now OnlineI&rsquo;m back‚Ä¶for a whilewriting. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Woodward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Woodward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughts on this.  

I&#039;ve wondered if this plunge into virtual church online is not a horrible step in the wrong direction.  Given that people here in the U.S. seem to be living more fragmented and isolated lives I cannot see how this is truly helpful.  

If the church is the bride of Christ and the adopted family of God, then a different set of questions can be asked:

Should we expect a husband and wife to have a healthy marriage if it was mediated totally through technology?  Would it be reasonable for a parent to raise their son or daughter using only technological mediums?  Could a family be a family if all of its interactions were mediated through some medium other than direct human to human contact?

If we can answer yes to these questions then it is possible for a church to exist in this capacity.  But if we answer no, then how can we expect the church exist virtually?  

It just seems like the trend towards technologically mediated relationships as standard is something we should be called to repent of.  Technology is really just a means of communicating.  But community is far more than communication - whether by smoke signal, letter, phone, e-mail, chat room, or live video.  Community is ultimately about presence - unmediated, direct presence of the other.  

Would we desire a technologically mediated relationship with God?  I cringe to think that my relationship with Jesus in the coming age will be available to me only through chat rooms, video, or some form of holographic interface.  Why then should we accept this as a viable form of community for the church now?  A Matrix-like life just doesn&#039;t seem like the goal of the Gospel and the Kingdom of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughts on this.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wondered if this plunge into virtual church online is not a horrible step in the wrong direction.  Given that people here in the U.S. seem to be living more fragmented and isolated lives I cannot see how this is truly helpful.  </p>
<p>If the church is the bride of Christ and the adopted family of God, then a different set of questions can be asked:</p>
<p>Should we expect a husband and wife to have a healthy marriage if it was mediated totally through technology?  Would it be reasonable for a parent to raise their son or daughter using only technological mediums?  Could a family be a family if all of its interactions were mediated through some medium other than direct human to human contact?</p>
<p>If we can answer yes to these questions then it is possible for a church to exist in this capacity.  But if we answer no, then how can we expect the church exist virtually?  </p>
<p>It just seems like the trend towards technologically mediated relationships as standard is something we should be called to repent of.  Technology is really just a means of communicating.  But community is far more than communication &#8211; whether by smoke signal, letter, phone, e-mail, chat room, or live video.  Community is ultimately about presence &#8211; unmediated, direct presence of the other.  </p>
<p>Would we desire a technologically mediated relationship with God?  I cringe to think that my relationship with Jesus in the coming age will be available to me only through chat rooms, video, or some form of holographic interface.  Why then should we accept this as a viable form of community for the church now?  A Matrix-like life just doesn&#8217;t seem like the goal of the Gospel and the Kingdom of God.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Goodmanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Goodmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh - Thanks for your thoughts on this.  I am ready to say that Biblical community is impossible with the current state of technology.  I do think technology can greatly assist the community though.    I don&#039;t provide much support because it is fairly self-evident in my opinion.    We may be coming from diff&#039;t perspectives but certainly (as someone mentioned) communion, baptisms, serving (eg. helping someone move), hospitality, sharing a meal, living in harmony and the list goes on and on just doesn&#039;t translate in a holistic way through the current state of technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh &#8211; Thanks for your thoughts on this.  I am ready to say that Biblical community is impossible with the current state of technology.  I do think technology can greatly assist the community though.    I don&#8217;t provide much support because it is fairly self-evident in my opinion.    We may be coming from diff&#8217;t perspectives but certainly (as someone mentioned) communion, baptisms, serving (eg. helping someone move), hospitality, sharing a meal, living in harmony and the list goes on and on just doesn&#8217;t translate in a holistic way through the current state of technology.</p>
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