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	<title>Comments on: Missional Eldership - Leading a Transformational Community</title>
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		<title>By: D. Goodmanson</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/12/missional-eldership-leading-a-transformational-community/#comment-113160</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Goodmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 00:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

Good question.  I'll work on a post to answer that this week, since it's something I'm thinking through a bit anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>Good question.  I&#8217;ll work on a post to answer that this week, since it&#8217;s something I&#8217;m thinking through a bit anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Filston</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/12/missional-eldership-leading-a-transformational-community/#comment-112413</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Filston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drew,

Nice summary and contrast.  Good application of John Frame's theology.  One challenge to the ideal of decentralizing is the fact that laity, however invested, must sometimes put their own full-time work ahead of their church leadership commitments.  Time and again, my attempts to decentralize break down on this point.  At critical times, even some of our most invested elders simply punt to staff.  Certainly, if staff provides a stop gap each time, elders are trained to rely and even rest in this safety net.  If we agree that staff is not to rescue where laity drops the ball, it might elevate the value of lay leadership.  But it feels a little utopic that busy professionals would expect that level of commitment of each other.  I want it, they want it.  But it often seems that only retired and extremely guilt-ridden people are willing to take on levels of responsibility usually assigned to staff.  I'd love to hear how you or others have progressed (stages?) from a centralized staff-elder paradigm to the fractile model you propose.

Regards,

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drew,</p>
<p>Nice summary and contrast.  Good application of John Frame&#8217;s theology.  One challenge to the ideal of decentralizing is the fact that laity, however invested, must sometimes put their own full-time work ahead of their church leadership commitments.  Time and again, my attempts to decentralize break down on this point.  At critical times, even some of our most invested elders simply punt to staff.  Certainly, if staff provides a stop gap each time, elders are trained to rely and even rest in this safety net.  If we agree that staff is not to rescue where laity drops the ball, it might elevate the value of lay leadership.  But it feels a little utopic that busy professionals would expect that level of commitment of each other.  I want it, they want it.  But it often seems that only retired and extremely guilt-ridden people are willing to take on levels of responsibility usually assigned to staff.  I&#8217;d love to hear how you or others have progressed (stages?) from a centralized staff-elder paradigm to the fractile model you propose.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: NextReformation &#187; missional eldership</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/12/missional-eldership-leading-a-transformational-community/#comment-79232</link>
		<dc:creator>NextReformation &#187; missional eldership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 00:05:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Drew Goodmanson writes on missional eldership, contrasting invitational leadership to missional and the structures that facilitate the two environments. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Drew Goodmanson writes on missional eldership, contrasting invitational leadership to missional and the structures that facilitate the two environments. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Missional Meanderings &#38;laquo Missional Church Network</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/12/missional-eldership-leading-a-transformational-community/#comment-70949</link>
		<dc:creator>Missional Meanderings &#38;laquo Missional Church Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 12:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Drew Goodmanson presents a couple of outstanding posts on developing a &#8220;triperspectival ecclesiology.&#8221; The first post is here. Second post is here. A follow up post on missional leadership is here. Be sure to examine the diagrams with each post. How do you see these diagrams assisting the formation of your community? How do they help you communicate? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Drew Goodmanson presents a couple of outstanding posts on developing a &#8220;triperspectival ecclesiology.&#8221; The first post is here. Second post is here. A follow up post on missional leadership is here. Be sure to examine the diagrams with each post. How do you see these diagrams assisting the formation of your community? How do they help you communicate? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Paschall</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/12/missional-eldership-leading-a-transformational-community/#comment-63933</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam Paschall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because of experiences within the framework of a traditional CEO/senior pastor model, I can certainly say that there is a need for a wise, and thoughtful critique of this model, and the need for new solutions to be put on the table.   As I read your entry I found one such critique and solution.  I am grateful for my time in the more traditional model, yet seeing its weakness has led me to search for something that is more effective.  It seems to me you need an army to fight a war, and the traditional model consolidates too much power at the upper levels and minimizes the impact a local body can have on its community for the reasons you stated.  Thanks for your thoughts, they are both wise and provocative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because of experiences within the framework of a traditional CEO/senior pastor model, I can certainly say that there is a need for a wise, and thoughtful critique of this model, and the need for new solutions to be put on the table.   As I read your entry I found one such critique and solution.  I am grateful for my time in the more traditional model, yet seeing its weakness has led me to search for something that is more effective.  It seems to me you need an army to fight a war, and the traditional model consolidates too much power at the upper levels and minimizes the impact a local body can have on its community for the reasons you stated.  Thanks for your thoughts, they are both wise and provocative.</p>
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		<title>By: zane anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/12/missional-eldership-leading-a-transformational-community/#comment-63258</link>
		<dc:creator>zane anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 06:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So fine to see something substantial occuring in the area of ecclesiology - something positve that is (and biblical). So much of what is coming out on the subject these days is little more than an attack on the status quo with nothing to substitute it with. Godspeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So fine to see something substantial occuring in the area of ecclesiology - something positve that is (and biblical). So much of what is coming out on the subject these days is little more than an attack on the status quo with nothing to substitute it with. Godspeed.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Goodmanson</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/12/missional-eldership-leading-a-transformational-community/#comment-63100</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Goodmanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 22:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill - Thanks for the encouragement.  I agree, have had a chance to read (and had a couple articles published) at Allelon, including the Goheen article, so great tips!  As for TSC, I had a chance to hang out with the TSK, he edged me by an inch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill - Thanks for the encouragement.  I agree, have had a chance to read (and had a couple articles published) at Allelon, including the Goheen article, so great tips!  As for TSC, I had a chance to hang out with the TSK, he edged me by an inch.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Kinnon</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/12/missional-eldership-leading-a-transformational-community/#comment-63022</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Kinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 19:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm enjoying your blog and have added you to my Google Reader. 

Think you might like some of the missional resources at Allelon.org. Al Roxburgh's Roxburgh Journal has some great  conversations, including one with Mike Goheen. There's some interesting missional conversation video as well with people like Eddie Gibbs, Ryan Bolger, Pat Keifert and Craig Van Gelder. 

Al's June 1st Roxburgh Journal will be a conversation with TSK, Andrew Jones. (BTW, I've dubbed you the Tall Thin Californian on my blog.) I produce the video and audio resources for Allelon. The Roxburgh Journal can be subscribed to through iTunes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m enjoying your blog and have added you to my Google Reader. </p>
<p>Think you might like some of the missional resources at Allelon.org. Al Roxburgh&#8217;s Roxburgh Journal has some great  conversations, including one with Mike Goheen. There&#8217;s some interesting missional conversation video as well with people like Eddie Gibbs, Ryan Bolger, Pat Keifert and Craig Van Gelder. </p>
<p>Al&#8217;s June 1st Roxburgh Journal will be a conversation with TSK, Andrew Jones. (BTW, I&#8217;ve dubbed you the Tall Thin Californian on my blog.) I produce the video and audio resources for Allelon. The Roxburgh Journal can be subscribed to through iTunes.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Foster</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/12/missional-eldership-leading-a-transformational-community/#comment-62763</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 05:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: waiting in athens &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Until Plurality</title>
		<link>http://www.goodmanson.com/2007-05/12/missional-eldership-leading-a-transformational-community/#comment-62728</link>
		<dc:creator>waiting in athens &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Until Plurality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 04:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] There&#8217;s a lot of discussion about eldership and leadership in the local missional church. This post is an addition/response/extension to this excellent post of Drew Goodmanson: missional eldership - leading a transformational community. How does one lead a church before a plurality of elders can be established? A brand new church must still be led, but a plurality of elders cannot be established from day one because of the church&#8217;s immaturity. So how do we maintain the tri-perspectivalism of the church with a single leader? Here&#8217;s my take on it, with regards to each of the perspectives of the church (see Drew&#8217;s post for more info on that, I won&#8217;t beat the drum again): [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] There&#8217;s a lot of discussion about eldership and leadership in the local missional church. This post is an addition/response/extension to this excellent post of Drew Goodmanson: missional eldership - leading a transformational community. How does one lead a church before a plurality of elders can be established? A brand new church must still be led, but a plurality of elders cannot be established from day one because of the church&#8217;s immaturity. So how do we maintain the tri-perspectivalism of the church with a single leader? Here&#8217;s my take on it, with regards to each of the perspectives of the church (see Drew&#8217;s post for more info on that, I won&#8217;t beat the drum again): [...]</p>
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